John Hatfield [A1268]
b.1809 09 Jan - Russell Co, Va
d.1864 Bef. 04 Jul -
----- Parents -----
Valentine Hatfield [A1017]
Martha "Mattie" Weddington [A1018]
----- Siblings -----
Joseph B "Joe" Hatfield [A1019]
Aly Hatfield [A1141]
Andrew Hatfield [A1202]
John Hatfield [A1268]
Ephriam "Big Eaf" Hatfield [A1432]
Virginia Jane "Jennie" Hatfield [A1945]
Thomas Whitfield Hatfield [A2003]
Jacob "Jake" Hatfield [A2090]
James G "Old Slater" Hatfield [A2169]
Phoebe Hatfield [A2265]
Valentine Hatfield, Jr [A2270]
Celia "Sena" Hatfield [A2271]
----- Marriages -----
m01. 1837 ca - Logan, VA + Isabelle Vance (8 Children)
m02. 1850 Aft. - + Tabitha Vance (2 Children)
----- Children -----
John Wesley Hatfield [A1270]
Celia "Selah" Hatfield [A1299]
Harriet Hatfield [A1301][A1786]
Malinda "Linda" Hatfield [A1316]
Floyd Hatfield [A1327]
Mary Hatfield [A1385]
Melvina Hatfield [A1386]
Phoebe Hatfield [A1387]
Ephraim S Hatfield [A1412]
Hannah Hatfield [A1423]
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I hope some one can help me wade thru this information about the above
named.
I have John Hatfield that married 2 Vance Women based on the following
sources:
1. Logan County Census for 1850 District # 32 Roll#956 Book 1 572
households counted in County.
Fam # 319/319 Hatfield, John 37
Isabel 35
John W.H. 11
Sina 9
Harriet 7
Malinda 5
Floyd 3
In 1860 Logan County:
Fam # 529/527 Hatfield, John 40
Tabitha 35
Harriet 17
Malinda 15
Floyd 13
Hannah 11
Ephriam 9
From Wyoming County Births Records:Various Wyoming County Births
Ephriam Hatfield Born on March 24 1854 Parents John Hatfield and Tabitha
Vance Hatfield
The oldest children of John Hatfield and Isabel, John W.H. and Sina would
have left the household by 1860
The youngest children have age progressed properly between the 1850 and
the 1860 census while John has not. (only 3 yrs?)What was the youngest
children in the 1850 census for this family ,now have become the oldest
and in sequence in 1860.
What would be the relationship between Tabitha Vance and Isabel Vance?
Merely Coincidental even with the childrens names and ages?
1880 Logan District In County Of West Logan State of W.V
74th Enumeration District
Tabitha Vance b.1821/22 dau of John Vance and Hannah Rader is now the
wife of William Grimmett.
Fam # 283/283 Grimmett, Wm 69
Tabitha 59
* Phebe 35
George 21
Lydia 12
Floyd 9
There is no Phebe listed as a child of Tabitha and John Hatfield. Is this
William Grimmett the same as the one who married Levicy Toler with dau
Phebe who would be about 30+ now in 1880. Wm and Levicy Toler Grimmett
are listed in the 1850 census of Logan County Virginia Family 312/312 as
such:
1850 Logan County
Family 312/312 Grimmett, William 41
* Levicy 28
Delila 18
Rachel 8
Lucinda 6
James P. 3
Phebe 0
Delilah 65
Elizabeth 43
Nicholas 30
Who is the mother of Delila age 18, Certainly while possible I do not
think probable that Levicy is Delila's mother at the age of 10 yrs old
with the father being 31 with a potential girl at 9/10 yrs of age.
I would appreciate any and all input as the line I am researching
descends from the Grimmett/Vance/Varney/Hatfield/Browning /Toler lines
Thank You For your time,
Carol Reed
http://genforum.genealogy.com/vance/messages/2763.html
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Name: John Hatfield
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1850
Event Place: Logan county, part of, Logan, Virginia, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 37
Marital Status:
Race (Original):
Race: White
Birthplace: Virginia
Birth Year (Estimated): 1813
House Number: 319
Family Number: 319
Line Number: 34
Affiliate Publication Number: M432
Affiliate Film Number: 956
GS Film number: 444946
Digital Folder Number: 004206378
Image Number: 00288
Household Gender Age Birthplace
John Hatfield M 37 Virginia
Isabel Hatfield F 35 Virginia
John W H Hatfield M 11 Virginia
Sena Hatfield F 9 Virginia
Harriet Hatfield F 7 Virginia
Malinda Hatfield F 5 Virginia
Floyd Hatfield M 3 Virginia
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12123-42578-90?cc=1401638
"United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch
(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M8DC-X65 : accessed 22 Apr 2013),
John Hatfield, 1850.
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Logan County Deed Book
This indenture made into this 29th July 1858 between Valentine Hatfield
and Martha his wife and John Hatfield and Tabitha his wife of the County
of Wyoming of the first part and William Browning of the second part of
the County of Logan, both of the State of Virginia witness that the said
Valentine Hatfield and John Hatfield for the consideration of the sum of
three hundred dollars to them in hand paid by the said William Browning
at or before the sealing and deliver of these present and by these
present do hereby grant bargain sell and convey unto the said William
Browning a certain tract or parcel of land being and lying on the
Browning Fork of Horse pen Creek containing 65 acres more or less being
part of a tract of land that the said William Browning deed to the said
Valentine Hatfield beginning at a cross fence below Jacob Hatfield and
running down the creek to the corner of the survey also including a new
survey made in the name of Valentine Hatfield and also including a survey
made in the name of John Hatfield binding on the said survey to have and
to hold the above described tract of parcel of land with all its
appurtenances unto him the said William Browning his heirs and assigns
forever free from the claim or claims of him the said Valentine Hatfield
and John Hatfield and his heirs and assigns and again any person or
persons claiming by or thence them the said Valentine Hatfield and John
Hatfield will warrant and defend the title to the above tract or parcel
of land in witness whereof the said Valentine Hatfield and John Hatfield
have herein to set their hand and affix their hands and seal this day and
date above written. Valentine Hatfield, John Hatfield
Witness Humphrey Trent, Madison Ellis, and Thomas Hatfield
Barbara Vance Cherep
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Name: John Hatfield
Event Type:
Event Year:
Event Place: Logan, VA
Minor Civil Division: [Blank]
Age (Expanded): 40 years
Birth Year (Estimated):
Birthplace:
Gender:
Page: 83
Household ID:
Affiliate Publication Number: M653
GS Film number: 805358
Digital Folder Number: 4297387
Image Number: 00291
John Hatfield Age (Expanded): 40 years
Tabby Hatfield Age (Expanded): 35 years
Harriet Hatfield Age (Expanded): 17 years
Melinda Hatfield Age (Expanded): 15 years
Floyd Hatfield Age (Expanded): 13 years
Hannah Hatfield Age (Expanded): 11 years
Ephraim Hatfield Age (Expanded): 9 years
"United States Census, 1860," index, FamilySearch
(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M41D-6NQ : accessed 01 Jul 2013),
John Hatfield, 1860.
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I've come to the conclusion that Abner Vance and Susannah Howard didn't
have a youngest daughter named Isabel, born 1815. I know that some folks
think that John Hatfield (son of Valentine Hatfield and Martha
Weddington) first married Isabel Vance (daughter of Abner and Susannah)
before 1840, then he married Tabitha Vance (daughter of John Vance and
Hannah Rader) sometime later, but I think that John Hatfield only married
once and his wife was the daughter of John Vance and Hannah Rader. I've
wondered if it would be helpful to post the notes I've taken on this
subject on the Logan message board under the family of John Hatfield
(Dwelling #319 on the 1850 census). See what you think--
After looking at the records I found so far, I've come to t he conclusion
that John Hatfield's wife was Isabel Tabitha "Tabby" Vance, daughter of
John Vance and Hannah Rader, and she was born about 1815. I don't think
that there was a youngest daughter of Abner Vance Sr. and Susannah Howard
who was born about 1815 and named Isabel.
In the 1820 census, Susannah (Howard) Vance did have two females in her
household who were born between 1810 and 1820, but there was also another
grown woman living in her household. So it's not clear if those young
girls were the daughters of Susannah or the other woman.
In the 1830 Logan County, VA census, Susannah (Howard) Vance was in her
60's. She didn't have any daughters in the household who were born
between 1810 and 1820. There was a female in the household in her 20's
(born 1800-1810), but none in their teens. Also a male in his 20's, and
some little children, presumably children of the female who was in her
20's.
In 1830, John Vance had two daughters who were born between 1810 and
1820, and also had daughters who were born in the 1820's.
By the 1840 census, John Hatfield had married one of the Vance girls; he
and his wife were in their 20's (born 1810-1820), with one son age less
than 5.
In 1840, John Vance's only daughter left in the household was age 10-15,
which would be the daughter Sena who was still in the household in 1850,
age 22. Both families - John Hatfield and John Vance - were on p. 73A of
the 1840 Logan County census.
In the 1850 census, p. 142, Dwelling #319:
John Hatfield 37
Isabel 35
John W. H. 11
Sena 9 [Celia?]
Harriet 7
Malinda 5
Floyd 3
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12123-42578-90?cc=1401638
1850 census, p. 125, #99:
John Vance 70
Hannah 56
Levi 25
Sena 22
In 1860, p. 281, #529:
John Hatfield 40
Tabby 35
Harriet 17
Melinda 15
Floyd 13
Hannah 11 [wasn't born yet in 1850 census]
Ephraim 9 [b. 3/24/1854 Wyoming Co]
Notice that John Hatfield was listed as age 37 in 1850 and his wife was
35. In 1860, John Hatfield had hardly aged at all; John was listed as age
40 and his wife was still 35.
In the 1850 census, John Hatfield's wife was listed as Isabel, and all of
his children except Hannah and Ephraim had been born (so the wife who was
listed as Isabel was the mother of all of the children born before 1850).
Here's son Ephraim's birth record:
Births of Wyoming Co, WV, transcribed by Pauline Haga, Year 1854. Ephrem
Hatfield was born on 24 Mar 1854 to John and Tabby Hatfield.
It looks like the daughter listed in 1850 as Sena (born 1840 or 41) must
have been the same as Celia. Look at this marriage record:
Marriage Records of Wyoming Co, WV, Vol 1, Haga, page 87. William C.
Walls, age 24/28?, born in Tazewell Co, VA, son of Joseph and Hopy Walls,
married Selah Hatfield, age 22, daughter of John and Tabethy Hatfield, on
12 Dec 1861 or 21 Dec 1862.
In the 1860 census, Celia had been living in Wyoming County with the
Valentine Hatfield family.
According to her marriage record, Celia was born about 1840, and she was
the daughter of John and Tabitha Hatfield. In the 1880 census, Celia was
age 39 - born 1840 or 1841. [This daughter of John and Tabitha Hatfield
was 9 in 1850 and 39 in 1880.] Her husband William C. Walls was age 15 in
1850 and age 45 in 1880 - born 1815.
1880 Wyo Co census, Clear Fork, p. 514D.
The records for this daughter Celia is what convinced me that John
Hatfield only had one wife. Celia was clearly born before 1850. The 1850
census listed John Hatfield's wife as Isabel, and Celia's marriage record
listed her mother as Tabitha. Doesn't it appear that Isabel and Tabitha
were the same person?
John Hatfield died before July 1864--
Marriage Records Wyoming Co, WV..., Vol 1, Haga, page 40. William
Grimmett, age 54, widowed, born in Franklin Co., VA, son of John and
Deliah Grimmett, married on 2 Jul 1864 Tabitha Vance Hatfield, age 49, a
widow, born in Logan Co., WV, daughter of Jake and Hannah Vance.
The above marriage record in 1864 listed her name as Tabith a Vance
Hatfield, a widow, daughter of Jake and Hannah Vance (so John Vance was
also known as Jake?). She was liste d as age 49, which would put her
birth date at 1815.
Unfortunately, Tabby's birth date wasn't consistently represented in the
censuses even after she remarried. In 1870 , in Magnolia District, she
was listed as Tabbith Grimmett age 60 and her husband William Grimmett as
age 62 (some of his children - grown or almost grown - were also in the
household, so they may have given the information). In 1880, in Logan
District, she was listed as Tabitha Grimmett age 59 and her husband
William age 69.
In 1880, Tabby's sons Floyd and Ephraim were still in Magnolia District
(which is where she was in 1870).
It shore does look to me like there was only one wife of John Hatfield
who was named either Tabitha "Tabby" Vance or Isabel Tabitha "Tabby"
Vance, and she was the daughter of John Vance and Hannah Rader.
(As always, thanks to Larry Smith and his CoalExchange site for the
Wyoming County records!)
Does anyone else have any other records which might clear up this
question a little more?
Thanks
Vanessa Allen
http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I2396&tree=2
